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  1. msman

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    All you have to do is look at my post that shows the amount of money black schools get to educate a student and compare it to the amount a white school gets to educate a student.
    You will see the black gets quite a bit more per student to educate the kids.
    Property taxes collected by black schools is ahead of white schools.
    Money is not the problem or black kids would be much better educated than whites.
    That is not the case. People who think white schools get more money to educated kids are simply full of bullshit.
    The facts are posted above.
     
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  2. Distant Lover

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    In my first job as a computer programmer my company hired a black programmer, and paid him twice what I was earning. This bothered me, because he was obviously not doing his job.

    When I discussed the matter with my boss, my boss told me that one of the areas in which he was evaluated was his ability to attract and keep black employees, and that he was supposed to expect less from them.

    This was in the private sector of the economy.
     
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      Change your true story to a sad story of personnel polices in California State Government. The new employee must be female, each section or area must reflect the state racial, gender and sexual orientation. So at DMV the Hispanic lady claims to be a Lizzy. To meet the quota of girls loving girls. Also there is quota for homosexual males.
       
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    The patronizing policies of companies for public relations is an issue, but not the focus for evidence..
    The funding for the budget by @msman's own figures reveal that more questions are left begging that the hoped for hard-facts do show. I'm not saying that there's a social onus that inhibits black and minority learning. I AM saying that the holistic cultural history [the collective forces that help to mold social behavior], particularly with the legacy of conscious attempts to disadvantage the potential of black people, nationwide (see Oregon) not exclusively in the South (or due to the post-Bellum Confederate diaspoa) is the more evidentiary than any claims of "stupidity" cooked into the genetics of black people. If that was so, one would have to ask how those blacks who made significant insights (George Washington Carver, etc) done by these 'genetic exceptions', let alone the existence of below-normal Caucasion behavior and performance capabilities in different pockets of the nations has similar bases of factors
     
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    You are just looking for excuses. At first you mentioned the lack of money for black schools. I showed you the facts that black schools were given more per student than white schools. The facts speak for themselves. Now that that is shown to be bullshit you are looking for some other excuse and someone else to blame.
    You mention one black man, George Washington Carver, and use him as an example of how intelligent blacks are. You fail to show how common a person of his intelligence is in the black race. That is one man. What the hell happened to all of the others?
    You are complaining about everything except the one thing that it always comes back to. It is very simple but you, like so many others, simply cannot understand that the IQ of the normal black person is lower than the IQ of the normal white person.
    Keep looking for someone to blame because black schools do not educate black kids. Until you are able to see the real problem the difference in blacks and whites will continue to grow. That is exactly the thinking that makes the gap widen. Continue to give blacks some excuse and someone else to blame for their lack of intelligence, work ethic, and high criminal rate. They will continue to drop behind all other races.
     
    1. OlDogger
      YOU brought up the budget, not ME.. Your budget figures begged for more information on the application of the funds whose designation MAY
       
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    2. OlDogger
      YOU brought up the budget, not ME.. Your budget figures begged for more information on the application of the funds whose designation MAY
       
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    3. msman
      My figures gives the cost per student that blacks schools spend compared with the cost per student white schools spend.
      It is very easy to see the cost difference. Blacks schools spend more money per student than white schools with much less students graduating with lower scores.
      That is just the facts. You can blame anyone else you want but the numbers tell the truth.
      You need to find some other excuse and some one else to blame.
       
      msman, Nov 4, 2017
    4. shootersa
      MSMAN;
      Would you do me a favor?
      Define what you mean by "black"
      Ideally, use the same definition all those crime stat compilers use.
       
      shootersa, Nov 4, 2017
    5. msman
      Shooter, have you ever seen a box of crayolas?
       
      msman, Nov 4, 2017
  5. msman

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    My last job was as a power plant operator. I had a degree in Power Plant Operation and Maintenance. I have over 20 years experience in hydro, oil fired, and natural gas power plants.
    Our superintendant announced his retirement and everyone was wanting to know who was going to take his place. I was offered the job but turned it down. I didn't tell anyone I was offered the job. One Jr. operator came to me and asked if I was going to take the job and if I didn't take it he wanted the job. I told him he didn't have the experience needed to do the job. I already knew who was going to get the job. When the new boss took over the Jr. operator blamed me for him not getting the job. According to him the only way I got my job was the boss was afraid of me. I finally had to tell him the only experience he had to offer for his job was that he was black and the man he was replacing was black and we had to have a black working in the plant. He had never even been inside of a power plant. I had to train him for 6 months before they would even let him go on shift. He still couldn't keep the equipment running during his shift. If he would have been a white man he would have never been hired for the job in the first place.
     
    1. OlDogger
      The local practices done in your neck of the woods would seem cynically to me to be efforts to do anything to fill a space than to serve aposition and they don't care if the person or the end-product serves the mission of the plant.. There was a thing called 'the Peter-Principle', which is pushing a person to the point of his incompetency without consideration to the long-term benefit for the person or the short-term efficacy of the job..
       
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    2. msman
      To keep out of the courts the employers in my neck of the woods have to have a certain % of black people employed.
      Finding qualified black people is a pretty big job. Since high school graduation rates of blacks is so low and college educated blacks is even lower companies have to fill the slots with blacks with no education and no experience. The only other option is going to court and show that there are no qualified blacks in the area to hire.
      Employers have come to the point they hire some very well qualified people who can take up the slack of the under qualified and under educated people they are forced to hire.
       
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      And if they have college degrees they probably got into those colleges on affirmative action programs.
       
      Distant Lover, Nov 4, 2017
  6. OlDogger

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    YOU brought up the budget, not ME.. Your budget figures begged for more information on the application of the funds, whose designation MAY not have been the apples-to-apples line item match that your conclusions hope and implied that they are...

    If you opened the link at "etc." you would've had more examples of EXCEPTIONAL black human beings, as well as my contrasting that noted exceptionalism of those as a counter-argument to any racial genetic basis, as much as pockets of white under-performance reveals how social conditions effect the outcome..

    Your homilies of rhetoric with skeleton data used for cherry-picked conclusions does not reflect well on your thinking, BUT I'm not smirking to myself here, thinking, "What a genetic defective this guy is..!!"

    This is my recess, recreational slumming in the art of rhetoric on the more provocative topics, when I'm not posting my own speculative theorems or declarations at my status upgrade.. Unless Syracuse-Fla. State becomes unbearable to watch, then later the Wilder-Stiverne or the HBO movie "GET OUT", earlier are less compelling than hoped; this is my Fri-Sat pit-stop at this side of the website.

    I won't say we should agree to disagree, because what we think does affect what we do or would acquiesce to exist. I will say that what I see as comparable and obstinate blindspots of yours on points to which you'd equally blame me of the same faults shows the dimensions of the iceberg of our foundations of thinking
     
  7. msman

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    Just a reminder.
    Cost per student for black schools-$9,848.
    Cost per student for white schools-$8,996.
    Please note one number is larger than the other by $852.
    The larger number, higher cost, is black schools.
    The smaller number, less cost, is white schools.
    That is about as simple as I can make it.
    Hope you are able to understand it.
     
    1. OlDogger
      Do these cost-Cost per student for black schools-$9,848.
      Cost per student for white schools-$8,996.
      Please note one number is larger than the other by $852.-tell for what and why the amounts are spent?? When you can answer that for yourself and expain it to me, I will understand it
       
      OlDogger, Nov 4, 2017
    2. msman
      What the money is spent on is all up to the school board and school administration.
      The black schools have black school board members and a black administration.
      The white schools have a majority white school board and majority white administration.
      The amount $9,848 and $8,996 is the total amount spent on one child per year.
      I will agree that the black school board members and the black administration may not really know what they are doing and may not have the best interest of the kids in mind. That is part of the problem with black schools, they are run by blacks.
       
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      There used to be a website that demonstrated that in 2003 Washington, DC public schools spent more for each student than the public school systems of any state, that DC public schools had a higher percentage of blacks in the student body than the public school systems of any state, and that mental aptitude and academic achievement test scores were lower in the DC public schools than in any state.

      Lots of white liberals live in Washington, DC. They send their children to private schools. I have read that when DC schools were integrated they had to stop having pep rallies. Black boys were making obscene cat calls to white cheer leaders.
       
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  8. Mayling

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    Don't they have free education in some countries for anyone, black , white, yellow or albino ?
     
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    Or are you/we just talking about the USA ?
     
    1. msman
      The amounts I quoted about the cost of educating a child was the tax money spent on one child.
      So many times we hear how the black schools are underfunded. I gave the actual figures on the largest and second largest school districts in Mississippi.
      One was white majority schools and the other 98% black schools.
      The blacks schools used nearly $1000 more a year to educated a child, and failed miserably.
       
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    Papi came in and said I'm pushing it and it's time for bed so I'm sorry and I'm off to bed. Night all....
     
  11. John227

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    @msman said: Finding qualified black people is a pretty big job.

    That is NOT because Blacks are inherently unqualified for any skilled job. It is because qualified Blacks know better than to try to get a decent job in Mississippi. Qualified, competent Blacks leave MS for areas of the US that are less racist, that have more employers who judge by qualifications and not by race.

    All of your anecdotes, which you mistakenly believe are facts generalizeable to the entire USA and the Black race world wide, are an artifact of something called 'adverse selection'. (Research it for the details.) Your racist attitude, and that of the entire state, drive the most qualified Blacks away. You are left with only the most unqualified Blacks to hire for your jobs.
     
    1. msman
      That is what I have been saying. We, here in Mississippi, do not have any qualified blacks to hire. We are left with the unqualified, uneducated, and lazy.
      Thanks for understanding.
       
      msman, Nov 4, 2017
  12. Distant Lover

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    An average IQ of 85 pushes the black bell curve to the left, and means that many fewer blacks are in the 115 or above range. White racism is the result, rather than the cause, of black dysfunction. In our high tech economy anyone with an IQ below 80 is probably unemployable.

    There are white Gentiles who resent Jews and Orientals. They resent them because because Jews and Orientals are more intelligent than they are. Jews and Orientals manage to get better incomes despite that resentment.
     
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    It isn't the fault of people who can read the figures and see what the problem is. The problems exist because people read the figures and look for someone else to blame.
    Everything they use as excuses end up being bullshit. Everyone they blame ends up not having anything to do with the problem.
    The problem is growing.
     
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  14. Distant Lover

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    One of the excuses now is called "stereotype threat." Blacks do poorly academically and on mental aptitude tests because people expect them to.
     
    1. msman
      And why would people get the idea that blacks do poorly on mental aptitude tests?
      Could it be something as simple as the low scores?
       
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      Shhh!

      You aren't supposed to say that. :eek:
       
      Distant Lover, Nov 4, 2017
    3. msman
      There is an old saying that fits this perfectly.
      They are putting the cart before the horse.
       
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  15. msman

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    Review articles by Rushton and Jensen (2005 and 2010) stated that in the United States, Blacks and Whites have been the subjects of the greatest number of studies. These studies have shown that the Black-White IQ difference is about 15 to 18 points or 1 to 1.1 standard deviations (SDs).[12][6]

    Such a difference means that the White average IQ is higher than that of 80-85% of Blacks.[6] However, it should be noted that for "bell curve" distributions ("normal distributions"), such as for IQ and many other traits, if there is an average difference between two groups, then it will be amplified at the extremes. One example is regarding height where the men:women ratio becomes increasingly larger with increasing height. Similarly, IQ differences will be most pronounced at extreme IQs.[13]

    The 1996 America Psychological Association's report "Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns" and the 1994 statement "Mainstream Science on Intelligence" gave similar numbers.[14][15]

    Roth et al. (2001) in a meta-analysis reviewed the results of over 6 million participants on tests of cognitive ability or aptitude found a Black-White gap of 1.1 SD. Consistent results were found for college and university application tests such as the Scholastic Aptitude Test (N = 2.4 million) and Graduate Record Examination (N = 2.3 million), as well as for tests of job applicants in corporate sections (N = 0.5 million) and in the military (N = 0.4 million).[16]

    Some studies have argued that the gap has narrowed by up to a third but has been criticized for selective exclusion of opposing results, incorrect calculations, or for this occurring on the tests measuring the g factor less well. If a narrowing has occurred, then it may have stopped in recent times. Some narrowing is compatible with the gap being partly environmental. Other studies have found no narrowing. The meta-analytic review by Roth et al. stated that any narrowing was "either small, potentially a function of sampling error...or nonexistent for highly g loaded instruments”.[12][17]

    See also the section Race and intelligence: The genetics or not debate: Shared and unshared environmental factors regarding the gap being argued to have narrowed for children, and especially young children, but this narrowing almost completely disappearing as the individuals age.

    A 2013 review stated that "a gap of 1 full standard deviation is already apparent on IQ tests at 36 months of age, and that there has been no obvious convergence in this early performance difference over time."[18]

    A factor which could possible cause a change in average cognitive ability score for a group (including immigrant groups) is if an increasing number of mixed-race individuals tend to identify themselves as members of this group (such as mixed Black-White individuals tending to identify themselves as Black). However, such a cognitive ability score change could reflect the average genetics of the group changing.

    Another view is that the Black-White IQ is actually larger than 1 SD and that the average Black IQ is likely 78 (a 22 point Black-White gap). This is argued to be supported by testing such as the military draft testing during WWII which is argued to be the most representative testing ever done. It is argued that higher results than 78 may be due to unrepresentative samples caused by factors such as non-participation in voluntary testing by the very lowest scoring segments of the Black population in inner cities.[12
     
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    Denying the existence of races may be used as an attempted argument against race and IQ research. However, it should be noted that even if races in the sense of subspecies were proven to be incorrect, then this does not actually make the debate disappear. It is possible to study IQ differences between groups that are not races (for example, IQ differences between criminals and non-criminals, IQ differences between different age groups, and so on). Even those claiming that races are social constructs still argue that it is possible to study, for example, average income differences between Blacks and Whites, so average IQ differences could also be studied. Simply demanding that a more politically correct label than "race" should be used, such as "ethnicity" or "population", will not change this.

    Blacks and Whites differ genetically regarding, for example, the genes for skin color and sickle-cell anemia. So they could differ also regarding IQ genes. Furthermore, IQ is likely affected by a very large number of genes. This means that even if the population differences regarding the population frequencies of individual gene variants affecting IQ are all small, but these population frequencies correlate, then the total effect of many such small but correlated differences may be that the population differences regarding genetic effects on IQ are very large.

    It is perfectly possible to study the role of genetics as an explanation for differences between groups that are not subspecies or even between groups that no one has claimed to be races. Current examples would include the enormous amount of medical research regarding the genetic differences between those having a certain disease and those not having this disease.
     
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    1. shootersa
      You need to check all your "studies" and your "facts" and see if you can find a single standard definition of "black" and "white" and "native American" and so forth.
      Most of the "studies" and what not do not define reliably what they mean when they say "black" and so forth.
      Which means your studies and your facts and whatnot are worthless at best to prove your point, and most likely damnable lies.
      But you already know that. You've been around enough and read enough discussions between the dog and Shooter.
       
      shootersa, Nov 4, 2017
    2. msman
      I keep forgetting you are an alien. Man do I have a surprise for you.
      Run down to Walmart and ask someone who works there where the crayolas are.
      Grab you a box. Not one of those cheap little boxes. Go ahead and spring for the big one.
      While you are in that area take a good look around. Notice the magazine looking thing that says Coloring Book.
      Grab one of those also. You are in for a world of fun.
       
      msman, Nov 4, 2017
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    Gutierrez says evaluations of math skills can perpetuate discrimination against minorities, especially if they do worse than their white counterparts, Campus Reform reported.

    So can the same thing be said about how math skills can perpetuate discrimination against white people when they do worse than their Asian counterparts?
     
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  18. Distant Lover

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    Intellectual skills correlate in ways that intellectual skills and athletic ability do not. Someone who cannot learn algebra and analytic geometry will be someone who lacks the intelligence for any intellectually demanding job, and who should not be hired for it.
     
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    Not only that, but Blacks earn lower scores on aptitude tests than Whites because when Blacks score well (higher than Whites!), the Whites don't believe it and accuse the Black students of cheating!!!!!! The Whites deny the high scores!!!!

    A celebrated case in point is Loretta Lynch, the second Attorney General under President Obama. She scored extremely high on her SATs. The administrators wanted to meet and congratulate the student who scored so high. When they did meet her in person and saw she was Black, they immediately accused her of cheating and voided her score. They, like you, @Distant Lover, and @msman, believed that Blacks are intellectually inferior to Whites and cannot score well on mental aptitude tests. Lynch offered to take the test again. They let her. Lynch scored even higher on her second go around! They couldn't accuse her of cheating again, so they let the extremely high score stand.
     
    1. msman
      But then the tendency to commit crimes came out in her.
      Just another common trait that shows up more in blacks than whites.
      One part of your story. That is according to Loretta. We all know she had a habit of not telling the truth. Looks like she started early.
       
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    I have never said that all blacks are stupid. Neither has msman. What we have said is that they tend to be significantly less intelligent than whites and Orientals, and that this is genetic.